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the white house said that the president had never met him. yesterday, jay carney, white house press secretary, said this. >> back when this arose, folks looked at the record, including the president's book, and there was no evidence that they had met. and that was what was conveyed. nobody spoke to the president. when pomar obama said the other day, and there were reports that he had said the other day that president obama, back when he was a law school student, had stayed with him in cambridge, i thought it was the right thing to do to go ask him. nobody had asked him in the past, and the president said, in fact, he had met omar obama when he moved to cambridge for law school and he stayed with him for a brief period of time until the president's apartment was ready. after that, they saw each other once every few months while the president was in cambridge, and then after law school, they gradually fell out of touch. >> why wouldn't you ask the president in the first place? in 2011 when you told the world a falsehood, and you said, we scoure
the white house said that the president had never met him. yesterday, jay carney, white house press secretary, said this. >> back when this arose, folks looked at the record, including the president's book, and there was no evidence that they had met. and that was what was conveyed. nobody spoke to the president. when pomar obama said the other day, and there were reports that he had said the other day that president obama, back when he was a law school student, had stayed with him in...
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ed henry at the white house. well to the fast food protest, is this really about the workers or are unrons pulling a fast one? hermon -- herman cane after this. it's donut friday at the office. and i'm low man on the totem pole. so every friday morning they send me out to get the goods. but what they don't know is that i'm using my citi thankyou card at the coffee shop, so i get 2 times the points. and those points add up fast. so, sure, make me the grunt. 'cause i'll be using those points to help me get to a beach in miami. and allllllll the big shots will be stuck here at the cube farm. the citi thankyou preferred card. now earn 2x the points on dining out and entertainment, with no annual fee.to apply, go to citi.com/thankyoucards if every u.s. home replaced one light bulb with a compact fluorescent bulb, the energy saved could light how many homes? 1 million? 2 million? 3 million? the answer is. 3 million homes. by 2030, investments in energy efficiency could help americans save $300 billion each year. take t
ed henry at the white house. well to the fast food protest, is this really about the workers or are unrons pulling a fast one? hermon -- herman cane after this. it's donut friday at the office. and i'm low man on the totem pole. so every friday morning they send me out to get the goods. but what they don't know is that i'm using my citi thankyou card at the coffee shop, so i get 2 times the points. and those points add up fast. so, sure, make me the grunt. 'cause i'll be using those points to...
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he belongs to the ages. >> part of ap emotional appearance late today by president obama in the white house briefing room. nbc news correspondent based in south africa was outside the mandela home when the news broke and remains there tonight and ro hip, all night tonight we have seen video of people gathering to sing and celebrate the life of nelson mandela, while it's important to remember a lot of south africans are still going to wake up to the sad news in the morning. >> reporter: that's right, brian. it is in credcredibly early in morning here, almost 2:00 o'clock and many south africans haven't heard the news yet. a few hundred of those who have came down here to nelson mandela's home they gathered around singing songs of the anti-apartheid struggle, singing it in all 12 language,multi cultural multi racial musical celebration of the rainbow nation. one of the fascinating observations here is how young people are, like south africa itself, this crowd is young, the people here have no memory of apartheid but such is the legacy of nelson mandela, he means almost as much to the yo
he belongs to the ages. >> part of ap emotional appearance late today by president obama in the white house briefing room. nbc news correspondent based in south africa was outside the mandela home when the news broke and remains there tonight and ro hip, all night tonight we have seen video of people gathering to sing and celebrate the life of nelson mandela, while it's important to remember a lot of south africans are still going to wake up to the sad news in the morning. >>...
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he belongs to the ages. >> part of an emotional appearance late today by president obama in the white house briefing room. nbc news correspondent roh rohit kachroo. all tonight we have seen people gathering to celebrate and sing celebrating the life of nelson mandela. while it's important to note that some will wake up to the sad news in the morning. >> reporter: that's right, brian. it is incredibly early in the morning here. almost 2:00. and many south africans haven't heard the news yet. but a few hundred of those who have came down here to nelson mande mandela's home. immediately they have gathered around us. they are singing songs from the anti-apartheid struggle. singing in all 12 languages, multi-cultural, multi-racial celebration of the rainbow nation. and one of the fascinating observations here is how young people are. like south africa itself, this crowd is young. the people here in the main have no memory of apartheid. but such is the legacy of nelson mandela, that he means almost as much to the youngsters as to the people who lived through apartheid. four hours ago presid
he belongs to the ages. >> part of an emotional appearance late today by president obama in the white house briefing room. nbc news correspondent roh rohit kachroo. all tonight we have seen people gathering to celebrate and sing celebrating the life of nelson mandela. while it's important to note that some will wake up to the sad news in the morning. >> reporter: that's right, brian. it is incredibly early in the morning here. almost 2:00. and many south africans haven't heard the...
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the white house had said president obama had never met with an uncle caught up in a deportation case, but it turns out the president did meet briefly with an uncle, lived with imhad when he was a young kid. find out how the press secretary at the white house is explaining this apparent contradiction. brian todd is standing by. stick with innovation. stick with power. stick with technology. get the new flexcare platinum from philips sonicare and save now. philips sonicare. #%tia[ life with crohn's disease ois a daily game of "what if's". what if my abdominal pain and cramps come back? what if the plane gets delayed? what if i can't hide my symptoms? what if? but what if the most important question is the one you're not asking? what if the underlying cause of your symptoms is damaging inflammation? for help getting the answers you need, talk to your doctor and visit crohnsandcolitisinfo.com to get your complimentary q&a book, with information from experts on your condition. the day building a play set begins with a surprise twinge of back pain... and a choice. take up to 4 advil in a da
the white house had said president obama had never met with an uncle caught up in a deportation case, but it turns out the president did meet briefly with an uncle, lived with imhad when he was a young kid. find out how the press secretary at the white house is explaining this apparent contradiction. brian todd is standing by. stick with innovation. stick with power. stick with technology. get the new flexcare platinum from philips sonicare and save now. philips sonicare. #%tia[ life with...
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as well white house officials are launching a campaign, they did last week, to sell the benefits of obama care to the american public. but what's the new message today? >> reporter: well, you know, talking about medicaid specifically in the state of north carolina, there are some states where you have seen there have been roadblocks to actually get it going. they say inside the white house that once you get it expanded, it's going to mean a lot more people being covered. but republicans are saying it's not just a cost issue. it's the question of when you look at these enrollment numbers, is it because people are actually signing up and paying into the system, or is it folks just getting medicaid? is that beefing up the numbers and sort of distorting the picture? gretchen? >> all right. ed henry live for us at the white house. thanks so much. >> good to see you. >>> more trouble for obama care now with the word the federal health exchange is now determining that some people with salaries as high as $80,000 a year, $80,000, are eligible for medicaid when clearly they are not. here's why tha
as well white house officials are launching a campaign, they did last week, to sell the benefits of obama care to the american public. but what's the new message today? >> reporter: well, you know, talking about medicaid specifically in the state of north carolina, there are some states where you have seen there have been roadblocks to actually get it going. they say inside the white house that once you get it expanded, it's going to mean a lot more people being covered. but republicans...
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earlier this evening at the white house christmas tree lighting, president obama had a few words to say about the former south african leader. >> this year, we give a special measure of gratitude firm nelson mandela, a man that championed that generosity of spirit. in his life, he left us with tremendous grace and unbelievable courage. we are all privileged to live in a world touched by his goodness. >> former secretary of state every clinton receiving the 2013 human rights award at an event on capitol hill. also speaking at the event, madeleine albright who served under bill clinton. they talked about the recent passing of former south african president nelson mandela. this is 25 minutes. [applause] >> thank you very much. please. thank you. thank you for your kind words and thank you to all of you. i am thrilled to be here. here to celebrate those that dedicated their lives to the human rights movement and we would be remiss if we did not toak as a little while ago honor the passing of one of the movement's greatest heroes. ansident mandela was activist, a prisoner of conscience and a
earlier this evening at the white house christmas tree lighting, president obama had a few words to say about the former south african leader. >> this year, we give a special measure of gratitude firm nelson mandela, a man that championed that generosity of spirit. in his life, he left us with tremendous grace and unbelievable courage. we are all privileged to live in a world touched by his goodness. >> former secretary of state every clinton receiving the 2013 human rights award at...
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president obama has ordered flags to be flown at half-staff at the white house and on all public buildings through monday night, also at all u.s. embassies. much more on nelson mandela in just a moment. >>> we'll be watching the view outside go through quite a few changes today with the rain moving in. your first forecast you now. storm team 4 meteorologist amelia segal is in for tom this morning. >>> rain moved through the area overnight. for the most part right now most of the area is dry. you can see some showers back around the i-81 corridor including winchester. the d.c. metro area is dry right now. i think for a good portion of the early morning hours it will remain that way. so the commute in to work this morning shouldn't be too bad. you are dealing with wet roads but, again, i think the chance you are actually dealing with with rain will be slim. as we get into the midday and afternoon hours, expect a better chance of rain. keep the umbrella handy all day. also expect a change in temperatures. right now we're in the 60s. 66 in college park. 61 in washington. but those temperatures
president obama has ordered flags to be flown at half-staff at the white house and on all public buildings through monday night, also at all u.s. embassies. much more on nelson mandela in just a moment. >>> we'll be watching the view outside go through quite a few changes today with the rain moving in. your first forecast you now. storm team 4 meteorologist amelia segal is in for tom this morning. >>> rain moved through the area overnight. for the most part right now most of...
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african-americans, hispanics, working white women. they are hurt by the obama economy. >> the median age of minimum wanl workers is 34 years old. >> when nelson mandela took over south africa he reached across to divide the size of the grand canyon. they worked out deals. why can't your guy obama reach across the divide and talk to republicans? >> to utter his name and not think we should pay a livable wage? >> obama should act like mandela tonight. obama should call boehner and say we are working on a deal. >> out in calling for social justice he's doing that. >> billy -- >> you're making no sense. >> that end this is segment. up next, let the softball questionses tingle up your leg, thrill up your leg. his number one fan, he sat down with the president? did he bow, worship, light candles? we'll play some of that coming up. you have been voting for tonight's video of the day. third final option is a clip of the hilarious -- well, somewhat funny, occasionally funny ron burgundy at emerson college. >> i thought you guys only met once e
african-americans, hispanics, working white women. they are hurt by the obama economy. >> the median age of minimum wanl workers is 34 years old. >> when nelson mandela took over south africa he reached across to divide the size of the grand canyon. they worked out deals. why can't your guy obama reach across the divide and talk to republicans? >> to utter his name and not think we should pay a livable wage? >> obama should act like mandela tonight. obama should call...
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us president barack obama has paid homage to one of his peers at a special address at the white house. for now. let us pause and give thanks for the fact that nelson mandela left the man who took history this dance. and that the arco more universe. for justice for his journey from a prisoner. well president embodied the promise that human beings and countries can change for the better god blesses memory. and keep him in peace. he led a secretary general banking maine is also a paid his respects freedom still working. i'm falling he said them. by the passing of this in montana. this in mind that i was a triumph for justice and the tone for the human experience. daniel rode along route one which he introduced by his is set for his stubborn for human dignity keep the twenty two and freedom to touch all blacks around the well of the net with hamas in order to honor the life of nelson mandela and then he touched the world not long off to the news broke of montana staff that case began to appear defective his statue in parliament square in london british prime minister david cameron to eat
us president barack obama has paid homage to one of his peers at a special address at the white house. for now. let us pause and give thanks for the fact that nelson mandela left the man who took history this dance. and that the arco more universe. for justice for his journey from a prisoner. well president embodied the promise that human beings and countries can change for the better god blesses memory. and keep him in peace. he led a secretary general banking maine is also a paid his respects...
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the white house announcing that president obama and michelle obama will travel there next week to attend the memorial. >> on sunday, they will mark a national day of prayer and reflection. his memorial service will be held tuesday in johannesburg. tonight, we are hearing from the former u.s. ambassador south africa. south special memories of africa. >> kimberly suiters is live at the embassy with more. >> all day, people have been braving the elements to the tributes here to the statue of nelson mandela at the embassy. for them, the losses doubly painful. great leaders. >> the only u.s. ambassador to present his credentials to nelson mandela. >> to hear him say in his own sod of humor that it seemed slow now. he was in for 27 years and they grew up knowing who he was without ever having seen him and until this day in 1990. >> that was the first day that most south africans knew what he looked like. >> they are hearing from friends and family still in south africa that everyone is in mourning for the man who saved their country from chaos. it was the rugby field, the world cup in 1995, th
the white house announcing that president obama and michelle obama will travel there next week to attend the memorial. >> on sunday, they will mark a national day of prayer and reflection. his memorial service will be held tuesday in johannesburg. tonight, we are hearing from the former u.s. ambassador south africa. south special memories of africa. >> kimberly suiters is live at the embassy with more. >> all day, people have been braving the elements to the tributes here to...
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and at the white house, president obama spoke about the man who inspired his first step into politics. >> like so many around the globe, i cannot live my own life without the example mandela set. >> reporter: he will join other leaders in south africa for the funeral set for december 15. cbs news, washington. >> now, here at home, mourners continue to pay their respects at the south african embassy near the new mandela statue on massachusetts avenue. this morning, more and more people were stopping by to place flowers at the base of the new statue. saray chance spent the morning at the embassy. >> reporter: construction workers have removed fencing that was preventing people from getting close to nelson mandela's statue. now, they can get up close, lay flowers and pay their respects. >> a sad day but what a gait man and a great life. >> reporter: they came to reflect, give respect, and for terry derase to drop a single red rose at his statue. >> my son said it was the wrong color because i had white roses too, and he said it meant love, and i said, well, that's nelson mandela. >> repo
and at the white house, president obama spoke about the man who inspired his first step into politics. >> like so many around the globe, i cannot live my own life without the example mandela set. >> reporter: he will join other leaders in south africa for the funeral set for december 15. cbs news, washington. >> now, here at home, mourners continue to pay their respects at the south african embassy near the new mandela statue on massachusetts avenue. this morning, more and...
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. >> reporter: president obama, attending a hanukkah reception last night at the white house, remembered mandela as a champion of human rights. >> a moral giant who embodied the dignity and the courage and hope. and sought to bring about justice, not only in south africa, but i think inspire millions around the world. >> reporter: those millions, moved by mandela's long walk to freedom. imprisoned for 27 years. he became a global symbol of the fight against apartheid. from his tiny cell, mandela rallied millions against racism and injustice. in 1990, the south african government, under heavy pressure at home and around the world, released mandela, and began dismantling apartheid. >> never again shall we be. the spirit, the oppression. >> reporter: south africa will hold a memorial service in a 90,000-seat stadium. president obama plans to attend. >> president obama said he was inspired by nelson mandela. what impact did he have on the president's life? >> reporter: huge impact. he met nelson mandela only once in 2005, when the president was a u.s. senator. but he studied nelson mandela's
. >> reporter: president obama, attending a hanukkah reception last night at the white house, remembered mandela as a champion of human rights. >> a moral giant who embodied the dignity and the courage and hope. and sought to bring about justice, not only in south africa, but i think inspire millions around the world. >> reporter: those millions, moved by mandela's long walk to freedom. imprisoned for 27 years. he became a global symbol of the fight against apartheid. from his...
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. >> james, i will be with you in a second but i do want to bring ofwers to this view president obama. here is what he had to say. nelsonis trial in 1964, mandela close to statement from the dock saying i have fought against white domination and i have fought against black domination. i have cherished the ideals of a democratic and free society in which all persons live together in harmony and with equal opportunities. an ideal that i hope to live for and achieve. it is an ideal, for which i am prepared to die. nelson mandela lived for that ideal and he made it real. he achieved more than could be expected of any man. .oday, he has gone home we have lost one of the most influential, courageous, and profoundly good human beings that any of us will ever spend time with on this earth. he no longer belongs to us, he belongs to the ages. underpinned ind will to sacrifice his own freedom for the freedom of others, he transformed south .frica and moved all of us his journey from a prisoner to a president embodied the promise that human beings and countries can change for the better. his comm
. >> james, i will be with you in a second but i do want to bring ofwers to this view president obama. here is what he had to say. nelsonis trial in 1964, mandela close to statement from the dock saying i have fought against white domination and i have fought against black domination. i have cherished the ideals of a democratic and free society in which all persons live together in harmony and with equal opportunities. an ideal that i hope to live for and achieve. it is an ideal, for...
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. >>> well, the white house once said that president obama didn't know one of his uncles. turns out, he actually lived with him. briefly. is this a big deal? we'll tell you. that story next. we're aig. and we're here. to help secure retirements and protect financial futures. to help communities recover and rebuild. for companies going from garage to global. on the ground, in the air, even into space. we repaid every dollar america lent us. and gave america back a profit. we're here to keep our promises. to help you realize a better tomorrow. from the families of aig, happy holidays. life with crohn's disease ois a daily game of "what if's". what if my abdominal pain and cramps end our night before it even starts? what if i eat the wrong thing? what if? what if i suddenly have to go? what if? but what if the most important question is the one you're not asking? what if the underlying cause of your symptoms is damaging inflammation? for help getting the answers you need, talk to your doctor and visit crohnsandcolitisadvocates.com to connect with a patient advocate from abbvi
. >>> well, the white house once said that president obama didn't know one of his uncles. turns out, he actually lived with him. briefly. is this a big deal? we'll tell you. that story next. we're aig. and we're here. to help secure retirements and protect financial futures. to help communities recover and rebuild. for companies going from garage to global. on the ground, in the air, even into space. we repaid every dollar america lent us. and gave america back a profit. we're here to...
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we are taking live to the white house next. president obama on the death of former south african residents nelson mandela. >> nelson mandela closed a statement from the dock saying, "i have fought against white domination and i have fought against black domination. i have cherished the ideal of a democratic and free society in which all persons live together in harmony and with equal opportunities. it is an ideal i hope to live for and to achieve. but if need be, it is an ideal for which i am prepared to die." nelson mandela lived for that ideal and he made it real. he achieved more than could be expected of any man. and today, he has gone home. we have lost one of the most influential, courageous, and profoundly good human beings that any of us will share time with on this earth. .e no longer belongs to us he belongs to the ages. dignity andfierce unbending will to sacrifice his own freedom for the freedom of others, he transformed south africa and moved all of us. his journey from imprisonment to a president embodied the prom
we are taking live to the white house next. president obama on the death of former south african residents nelson mandela. >> nelson mandela closed a statement from the dock saying, "i have fought against white domination and i have fought against black domination. i have cherished the ideal of a democratic and free society in which all persons live together in harmony and with equal opportunities. it is an ideal i hope to live for and to achieve. but if need be, it is an ideal for...
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let's get analysis on the white house push to remarket obama care. all right we'll have that john boehner in a moment. in the meantime, look who is here. bob cusack. good to have the both of you. you know the business world you get a second chance at first impressions? >> it is an uphill struggle. he has to ask america to ignore the millions of scanceling this cost to tens of millions of people and look at the good stuff and by the way -- here is the thing. >> your mic doesn't work right now if the desk weren't so far, i would hand you mine. i'm going to go to bob for the questions of the politics of all of this. how does the president survive this politicly? >> i think this white house is going to be more aglgressaggres. democrats have been disappointed. it has had a tough two months. but the white house is pushing back more on the media as well as republicans. i expect the president to be aggressive. as the polls will show, it has been an unpopular law and has taken a major hit. they push back on republicans and on the washington post report. if th
let's get analysis on the white house push to remarket obama care. all right we'll have that john boehner in a moment. in the meantime, look who is here. bob cusack. good to have the both of you. you know the business world you get a second chance at first impressions? >> it is an uphill struggle. he has to ask america to ignore the millions of scanceling this cost to tens of millions of people and look at the good stuff and by the way -- here is the thing. >> your mic doesn't work...
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. >> white house press secretary jay carney said president obama and the first lady are planing to travel to south africa next week to pay their residents to the memory of nelson mandell a- however they say the details of the trip are still being worked out. in washington, i am emily schmidt. >> coming up san jose police say a quick acting security guard helped them arrest a driver accused of ramming into a police car and running away. >>> also a controversial new decision today from the obama administration. we will tell you about the legislation that allows a national bird to be killed. we will be right back. >>> welcome back to the ktvu news at noon and a missing teenager was found this morning in southern california and airlifted to safety by a los angeles sheriff's department helicopter. 19-year-old boric him got lost yesterday and had fall in down a ravine while hiking in the san gabriel mountains near pasadena. according to police kim was suicidal over a recent break up, she was alert however her condition is unknown. >>> a san jose police officer is recovering after his squad car
. >> white house press secretary jay carney said president obama and the first lady are planing to travel to south africa next week to pay their residents to the memory of nelson mandell a- however they say the details of the trip are still being worked out. in washington, i am emily schmidt. >> coming up san jose police say a quick acting security guard helped them arrest a driver accused of ramming into a police car and running away. >>> also a controversial new decision...
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up inicture is hanging the residence at the white house, in his office. it is framed in the over office and it was framed in mandela's study. >> i think the president is right, we will probably never see his like again. for 27 years and come out without bitterness as extraordinary. when we return, we will talk about the november jobs report. >> welcome back. we will get to margaret colson and ramesh ponnuru in a moment but first rich miller is here to break down the november jobs report. two hundred 3000 jobs, unemployment is down. even rich miller has got to be pulling out his wallet for holiday spending. full of good cheer, right? >> for once, i don't have to do that. we got an early christmas present from the bureau of labour statistics. jobs picked up, retail picked up. two thirds said they expanded payrolls. on a plummet rate fell mostly because more people are working -- unemployment fell mostly because people are working, not dropping out of looking for work. gdp got upgraded but that might be less than meets the eye. click some say this sets us up
up inicture is hanging the residence at the white house, in his office. it is framed in the over office and it was framed in mandela's study. >> i think the president is right, we will probably never see his like again. for 27 years and come out without bitterness as extraordinary. when we return, we will talk about the november jobs report. >> welcome back. we will get to margaret colson and ramesh ponnuru in a moment but first rich miller is here to break down the november jobs...
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president barack obama is to speak from the white house on his passing, something they've been prepared quite some time. mandela's daughter was with him this morning. before 8:00 a.m. she sent out word her father was on his death bed. she made the extraordinary statement that even on this day in this dark hour she was able to learn more from him. she said last year every moment with him was a blessing from god and that she cannot even imagine anyone being more fortunate than she to have these last years with him. after he got out of prison after 26 year, who would think a man could hang on this long, except mandela, this man of resilience who recognized evil around him, who was inprisoned who's people were told you cannot utter a quote of him, may not have a picture of him. he was able to spread the word, outside the prison where he was, be a leader from those that realized he had the better way, to emerge as one who instead of trying for vengeance spoke of and lived for you south africa. now the president of the united states. >> at his trial in 1964, nelson mandela closed the statemen
president barack obama is to speak from the white house on his passing, something they've been prepared quite some time. mandela's daughter was with him this morning. before 8:00 a.m. she sent out word her father was on his death bed. she made the extraordinary statement that even on this day in this dark hour she was able to learn more from him. she said last year every moment with him was a blessing from god and that she cannot even imagine anyone being more fortunate than she to have these...
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when he brought his white jailers to his inauguration, colin powell was there. >> he said let's reach out and show love and reconciliation. he's our washington and our lincoln and our martin luther king all rolled into one. >> reporter: hillary clinton was at the inauguration. >> a lawyer and a freedom fighter. a prisoner and a leader. a man of anger and of forgiveness. >> reporter: there was no contradiction in what mandela stood for. >> the idea of every single human being ought to be free of oppression and justice can prevail. >> reporter: the white house announced president obama will go to south africa joining world leaders and south africans for the funeral of nelson mandela. there's a major memorial at the national cathedral here at washington on wednesday for this foreign leader held in high esteem by so many americans. >> thank you. >>> late this afternoon the san francisco mayor invited the entire bay area to pay its respects to mandela as well. the mayor has been asked to chair that event. flags on all city grounds will be flown at half staff until sunset on december 18th.
when he brought his white jailers to his inauguration, colin powell was there. >> he said let's reach out and show love and reconciliation. he's our washington and our lincoln and our martin luther king all rolled into one. >> reporter: hillary clinton was at the inauguration. >> a lawyer and a freedom fighter. a prisoner and a leader. a man of anger and of forgiveness. >> reporter: there was no contradiction in what mandela stood for. >> the idea of every single...
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the white house says president obama will attend. >> thank you. hearts are heavy around the world and here in the bay area where the antiapartheid movement took center stage decades ago. mandela visited the bay area in june of 1990 including a speech in front of 58,000 people looking to see him at oakland coliseum. he just was released from prison four months before that. a state senator was on stage at the time mayor of berkeley one of the only cities in the world that sanctioned south africa. >> that was a moment of joy for the entire community and the coliseum was full, every seats standing room only. we were celebrating this extraordinary human spirit. >> in 1985, 10,000 students at uc berkeley rallyied against apartheid and boycotted chooses. the following year, cam became the largest government in the united states to withdraw all investments related to south africa. >> people are sharing their memories of nelson mandela on our facebook page. you, too, can leave your thoughts. >> san jose state is taking the first step to addressing what the
the white house says president obama will attend. >> thank you. hearts are heavy around the world and here in the bay area where the antiapartheid movement took center stage decades ago. mandela visited the bay area in june of 1990 including a speech in front of 58,000 people looking to see him at oakland coliseum. he just was released from prison four months before that. a state senator was on stage at the time mayor of berkeley one of the only cities in the world that sanctioned south...
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did the obama white house quietly pass a rule giving unions a huge tax break under obama care? that investigation is next. later, a bus full of kids so out of control the driver had to call the cops. wait until you hear who wound up in trouble. >> [ bleep ] focus on what you're doing. what if you hit somebody? you think it's [ bleep ] funny, look at me like a man. you want to grow up and be a man? look at me like a [ bleep ] man. ] i better take something. [ male announcer ] dayquil cold and flu doesn't treat all that. it doesn't? [ male anner ] alka-seltzer plus fights your worst cold symptoms plus has a fast-acting antihistamine. oh, what a relief it is! >>> from the world headquarters of fox news, it's "the kelly file" with megyn kelly. >>> well, for several weeks now we have seen reports about unions complaining over a new obama care tax that is reportedly pricey. we are trying to learn if this administration has quietly passed a rule giving unions a very big break on that tax. trace gallagher has the story. >> reporter: the tax is called a reinsurance fee. it's on nearly e
did the obama white house quietly pass a rule giving unions a huge tax break under obama care? that investigation is next. later, a bus full of kids so out of control the driver had to call the cops. wait until you hear who wound up in trouble. >> [ bleep ] focus on what you're doing. what if you hit somebody? you think it's [ bleep ] funny, look at me like a man. you want to grow up and be a man? look at me like a [ bleep ] man. ] i better take something. [ male announcer ] dayquil cold...
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. >> after the high tide earlier in president obama's years in the white house, hasn't the deficit, which was huge when he came to office, been getting smaller. >> largely on the back--the sequester cuts which were a small but measurable reduction in over all spending, but also because of the fairly large tax hikes that have occurred under obamacare and under the fiscal cliff deal that they struck on new year's day of 2013. it raised taxes on higher income earners. it's been by extracting more from the american people and not by the government controlling it's out of control spending. >> raised payroll taxes to where it was for decades before they were cut in an emergency. >> but to american families, that now decreased the amount of money that they bring home. >> when you look at healthcare costs, social security and pension, that's where all the growth is. healthcare is the biggest driving factor. with that we're cutting roads, highways, education, medical research, the things that we ought to be investing in because we're holding sacrosank for folks my age. which i appreciate very. but
. >> after the high tide earlier in president obama's years in the white house, hasn't the deficit, which was huge when he came to office, been getting smaller. >> largely on the back--the sequester cuts which were a small but measurable reduction in over all spending, but also because of the fairly large tax hikes that have occurred under obamacare and under the fiscal cliff deal that they struck on new year's day of 2013. it raised taxes on higher income earners. it's been by...
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we are waiting to hear from the white house for the first time since they hit the deadline for the obama care website to be fixed. >> some vower ares say the site's ills are not cured>> reporter: while the white house declared victory on turning the corner on the website. they say there is back end problems to the site in completing the process through the check out counter and you will communicate with the insurance company when you have enrolled and signed up. as they log on to healthcare.gov, there is jumbled things and what not that suggest that the site is not ready. you have a larger group of people trying to log on that it is turning the corner and that may explain why outside help advisors like dr. emmanuel seemed to be lowering expectation. >> like goggle and facebook they are constantly improving and this one has a way to go. it is working reasonably well. >> reporter: that so manies to lower the bar a bit on how well it is really working. and republican law makers are not questioning whether the website is fixed, but wonder if people will be more frustrated when they so what t
we are waiting to hear from the white house for the first time since they hit the deadline for the obama care website to be fixed. >> some vower ares say the site's ills are not cured>> reporter: while the white house declared victory on turning the corner on the website. they say there is back end problems to the site in completing the process through the check out counter and you will communicate with the insurance company when you have enrolled and signed up. as they log on to...
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flags at the white house to fly at half mast. let's hear more about the call to south african president jacob zuma. >> it was shortly after jacob zuma announced the passing of nelson mandela to south africa and the world that president obama took to the briefing room to talk about his reminiscenses and everything that nelson mandela meant to him. some time in the evening, you are right. the president placed a phone call to jacob zuma. he expressed condolences from himself and michelle obama. he called nelson mandela a man of kindness and humility, influencing his own life, and the president only met nelson mandela one time as a senator. he had visited south africa twice, once as a senator and once this past june with his family, unable to meet the ailing nelson mandela at this point. the president took to the briefing room, talked about the inspiration that nelson mandela was for him, talked about the anecdote. nelson mandela and a struggle against apartheid, inspired president obama as a student in the late '70s, and early '80s,
flags at the white house to fly at half mast. let's hear more about the call to south african president jacob zuma. >> it was shortly after jacob zuma announced the passing of nelson mandela to south africa and the world that president obama took to the briefing room to talk about his reminiscenses and everything that nelson mandela meant to him. some time in the evening, you are right. the president placed a phone call to jacob zuma. he expressed condolences from himself and michelle...
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joining me now with tips on how to protect yourself from being hack second degree former white house chief information officer and data privacy expert teresa peyton. great to have you. >> thanks for having me. >> let me ask you, are consumers needing to be worried about logging on to the website and perhaps giving out information that could be hacked? >> unfortunately they do need to be worried. one hacker looked at the sight, and he found something that is considered a golden rule. before you do that first webpage, you do security first. and one of the things he found was that we're all on the go, we're super busy. he found that if you type health care semicolon instead, it goes to a scam website. >> people are saying get in there, sign up, sign up quickly, but i think you're saying you have to be careful. >> you're absolutely right. if this is a business, our customers would have left us by now, wouldn't they? one of the things they would recommend is there is two things that people can do on a commercial break or after the show, the first thing i recommend is get a new e-mail grea
joining me now with tips on how to protect yourself from being hack second degree former white house chief information officer and data privacy expert teresa peyton. great to have you. >> thanks for having me. >> let me ask you, are consumers needing to be worried about logging on to the website and perhaps giving out information that could be hacked? >> unfortunately they do need to be worried. one hacker looked at the sight, and he found something that is considered a golden...
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president obama and michelle are there. president george w. bush and laura. president bill clinton, hilary and chelsea are there. they're close friends of him and president jimmy carter, they served on a world organization that promotes peace together, the elder group. now i'm being told that sky news is broadcasting this in the uk.. and we're going to check in with them to see what their coverage looks like. >> johannesburg, there were serious wars between the anc and the freedom party. it was everywhere. for us to see where we're at today, it's a miracle. i agree with the world. but at the center of this miracle was one man who was a leader of the african national congress. who also did everything that he did and guided by the articulation of the anc. >> he was a policy man, wasn't he? >> through and through. >> he saw himself as a party man. >> he saw himself as a party man and, in fact, because i was on the anc during madiba's term, this is my second term in this job. madiba was -- no matter how much he believed on an issue on the table, no matter his vie
president obama and michelle are there. president george w. bush and laura. president bill clinton, hilary and chelsea are there. they're close friends of him and president jimmy carter, they served on a world organization that promotes peace together, the elder group. now i'm being told that sky news is broadcasting this in the uk.. and we're going to check in with them to see what their coverage looks like. >> johannesburg, there were serious wars between the anc and the freedom party....
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that picture is hanging up in the residence at the white house, in his office. it is framed in the oval office and it was framed in mandela's study. >> i think the president is right, we will probably never see his like again. to be in jail for 27 years and come out without bitterness is extraordinary. when we return, we will talk about the november jobs report. ♪ >> welcome back. we will get to margaret colson and ramesh ponnuru in a moment but first rich miller is here to break down the november jobs report. 203,000 jobs, unemployment is down. even rich miller has got to be pulling out his wallet for holiday spending. full of good cheer, right? >> for once, i don't have to do that. we got an early christmas present from the bureau of labor statistics. jobs picked up, retail picked up. two thirds said they expanded payrolls. unemployment fell mostly because people are working, not dropping out of looking for work. >> gdp got upgraded but that might be less than meets the eye. >> some say this sets us up for a good year and of course we have heard this before.
that picture is hanging up in the residence at the white house, in his office. it is framed in the oval office and it was framed in mandela's study. >> i think the president is right, we will probably never see his like again. to be in jail for 27 years and come out without bitterness is extraordinary. when we return, we will talk about the november jobs report. ♪ >> welcome back. we will get to margaret colson and ramesh ponnuru in a moment but first rich miller is here to break...
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. >> president obama, aing a hanukkah celebration at the white house spoke of him. >> sought to bring about justice, not only in south africa, but i think to inspire millions around the world. >> those millions moved by mandela's long walk to freedom. imprisoned for 27 years, i became a global symbol of the fight against apartheid from his tiny cell, mandela rallied millions against racism and injustice. after heavy pressure from home and around the world, they releaseds mandela and began dismantling apartheid. >> never shall will be the beautiful love, the oppression of one to another. >> next week, south 56 africa will hold a memorial at a 90,000 seat stadium. president obama plans to attend. >> there was a carbon monoxide leak but seven now allowed back inside. >> investigators are trying to find out what cased a fire in maryland. it broke out 10:30 thursday night two large hazardous materials containers were burning there. the crew arrived and worked to contain diesel fuel that spilled out. no one was injured and they're still assessing how much damage it caused. >> kohl's is keep
. >> president obama, aing a hanukkah celebration at the white house spoke of him. >> sought to bring about justice, not only in south africa, but i think to inspire millions around the world. >> those millions moved by mandela's long walk to freedom. imprisoned for 27 years, i became a global symbol of the fight against apartheid from his tiny cell, mandela rallied millions against racism and injustice. after heavy pressure from home and around the world, they releaseds...
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at the white house, president barack obama immediately left a reception to send this message of gratitude. >> the day he was released from prison, he gave me a sense of what human beings can do when they are guided by their hopes and not by their fears. and like so many around the globe,ky not fully imagine my own life without the example that nelson mandela set. >> and so long as i live,ly do what i can to learn from him. >> world leaders say he was for all the face of forgiveness. >> nelson mandela was a chide for justice, and human inspiration. many around the world were entrenched by his selfless struggle for human dignity, equality, and freedom. excellent tonight, one of the brightest lights of our world has gone out. nelson mandela was not just a hero of our time, but a hero of all time. >> a legend for the powerful, and the people on the streets of time square from all around the globe. it is a big loss for all of us. >> god bless all the people he fought for. i hope his legacy lives on. remembering how he fought, and how he lived. >> well, among the many tributes was this one. fro
at the white house, president barack obama immediately left a reception to send this message of gratitude. >> the day he was released from prison, he gave me a sense of what human beings can do when they are guided by their hopes and not by their fears. and like so many around the globe,ky not fully imagine my own life without the example that nelson mandela set. >> and so long as i live,ly do what i can to learn from him. >> world leaders say he was for all the face of...
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the white house has confirmed president obama and the first lady will travel to south africa next week to take part in memorial services. we will have full coverage and area begin in johannesburg -- johannesburg. >> they come from all walks of life and all communities to pay respects outside the home of nelson mandela. the sense of bereavement is palpable. to some, almost private and personal. together,so a coming a nation united in mourning but also in celebration of the life of the man they call madiba. >> people are celebrating the life of nelson mandela. i think he would want us to celebrate his life. >> we kept holding onto that and i hope with the spirit going [inaudible] prepares forfrica a state funeral of unprecedented proportions, what kind of nation mr. mandela leaves behind. is possible to overcome hatred and anger in order to build a new nation and a new society. lson mandela went to prison and a great young man. committed to letting his enemies by violence if necessary. byfighting as enemies violence if necessary. 27 years later he emerged preaching. can say withf you aut
the white house has confirmed president obama and the first lady will travel to south africa next week to take part in memorial services. we will have full coverage and area begin in johannesburg -- johannesburg. >> they come from all walks of life and all communities to pay respects outside the home of nelson mandela. the sense of bereavement is palpable. to some, almost private and personal. together,so a coming a nation united in mourning but also in celebration of the life of the man...
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president obama here at home has ordered flags at the white house to be lowered in tribute. nelson mandela could have been bitter after spending 27 years in prison among the worst conditions imaginable. instead of revenge, when he was released he sought reconciliation. he became south africa's first democratically elected and first black president and forge ad legacy of forgiveness and unit. bill: we learned moments ago, mandela's national funeral will take place december 15th, nine days from now. greg palkot leading coverage. greg, you were in south africa six months ago. how are people reacting there? >> reporter: that's right, bill. we were outside the pretoria hospital whereenelson mandela laid gravely ill couple months ago. we saw the outpouring. the scenes we're looking at now from south africa is just the beginning. it will continue. crowds are gathering outside of the johannesburg house where mandela spent last troubling weeks and months. they're marking the passing of the person they can the father of their country. they're mourning and also celebrating the man. his
president obama here at home has ordered flags at the white house to be lowered in tribute. nelson mandela could have been bitter after spending 27 years in prison among the worst conditions imaginable. instead of revenge, when he was released he sought reconciliation. he became south africa's first democratically elected and first black president and forge ad legacy of forgiveness and unit. bill: we learned moments ago, mandela's national funeral will take place december 15th, nine days from...
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that is a former clinton white house deputy assistant. unbelievable. matt? let me give that to you as a former clinton white house guy. it's meant to shame, divide and demean and conceived by a group of wealthy white men? >> that is ridiculous. thank you for going to me first. look. if this is an attempt to humor, it failed and was not funny or appropriate and it was offensive. it misses the point the president adopted the idea of the term obamacare in ways that he hasn't on other things republicans come up with all sorts of terms, death tax, you know we don't adopt those terms but the president adopted obamacare because it stands for signature of his presidency >> she suggests he had to. that this has been rendered the theory to diminish him but he had to submit to it. that is the only reason he took it on. katie what is she talking about conceived of by a group of wealthy white men? >> i'm not sure. i'd like to point out melissa harris is a tv host and professor, if we're going to talk about obamacare being a bad term? can we talk about romney care? this g
that is a former clinton white house deputy assistant. unbelievable. matt? let me give that to you as a former clinton white house guy. it's meant to shame, divide and demean and conceived by a group of wealthy white men? >> that is ridiculous. thank you for going to me first. look. if this is an attempt to humor, it failed and was not funny or appropriate and it was offensive. it misses the point the president adopted the idea of the term obamacare in ways that he hasn't on other things...
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did the obama white house quietly pass a rule giving unions a huge tax break under obama care? that investigation is next. later, a bus full of kids so out of control the driver had to call the cops. wait until you hear who wound up in trouble. >> [ bleep ] focus on what you're doing. what if you hit somebody? you think it's [ bleep ] funny, look at me like a man. mine was earned orbiting the moon in 1971. afghanistan in 2009. on the u.s.s. saratoga in 1982. [ male announcer ] once it's earned, usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation because it offers a superior level of protection and because usaa's commitment to serve current and former military members and their families is without equal. begin your legacy. get an auto insurance quote. usaa. we know what it means to serve. a body at rest tends to stay at rest... while a body in motion tends to stay in motion. staying active can actually ease arthritis symptoms. but if you have arthritis, staying active can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain so your body can stay
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at the white house and all publi buildings. >> tonight, the tributes in his honor. but let's begin with more on the growing crowds outside mandela's home in johannesburg. >>> nelson mandela's suburban mansion in johannesburg. the crowds have been building the last few hours, singing songs of the anti-apartheid struggle, singing the south african national anthem. late in the evening, the south african president went on national television and broke the news. and in doing so, broke the hearts of millions of south africans. >> our nation has lost its greatest son. our people have lost a father. >> nelson mandela went into hospital six months ago, first seriously ill, then critically ill, then he was returned to his home here in september where he was receiving the same level of care as he did in the hospital. so this day was not unpredictable, but painful nonetheless. the father of this nation, nelson mandela, dead at the age of 95. nbc news, johannesburg. >> our team coverage continues tonight with shamari stone. he's live outside the south african embassy in northwes
at the white house and all publi buildings. >> tonight, the tributes in his honor. but let's begin with more on the growing crowds outside mandela's home in johannesburg. >>> nelson mandela's suburban mansion in johannesburg. the crowds have been building the last few hours, singing songs of the anti-apartheid struggle, singing the south african national anthem. late in the evening, the south african president went on national television and broke the news. and in doing so, broke...
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the two met in 2005 when obama was a senator in illinois. the president travelled to south africa in june but he was too ill to meet with mandela. libby casey joins us now. >> gratitude and so much remembrance has come pouring in from all over washington. president obama recalled how as a young man he was first inspired to political action back in college by going to an anti apartheid rally. and he talked about the role model that mandela. the president yesterday remembered his words that nelson mandela said he wanted to see an ideal, a society where there was democracy and freedom for all. >> nelson mandela lived for that ideal, and he made it real. he achieved more than could be expected of any man. and said he has gone home. and we have lost one of the most influential, courageous and profoundly good human beings with on this earth. he no longer belongs to us. he belongs to the ages. >> remembrances also come in from past presidents. stephanie? >> and libby several members of congress also expressing their admiration for mandela. >> i don
the two met in 2005 when obama was a senator in illinois. the president travelled to south africa in june but he was too ill to meet with mandela. libby casey joins us now. >> gratitude and so much remembrance has come pouring in from all over washington. president obama recalled how as a young man he was first inspired to political action back in college by going to an anti apartheid rally. and he talked about the role model that mandela. the president yesterday remembered his words that...
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the white house has confirmed president obama and the first lady will travel to south africa next week to take part in memorial services. we will have full coverage and area begin in johannesburg -- johannesburg. >> they come from all walks of life and all communities to pay respects outside the home of nelson mandela. the sense of bereavement is palpable. to some, almost private and personal. together,so a coming a nation united in mourning but also in celebration of the life of the man they call madiba. >> people are celebrating the life of nelson mandela. i think he would want us to celebrate his life. >> we kept holding onto that and i hope with the spirit going [inaudible] prepares forfrica a state funeral of unprecedented proportions, what kind of nation mr. mandela leaves behind. is possible to overcome hatred and anger in order to build a new nation and a new society. lson mandela went to prison and a great young man. committed to letting his enemies by violence if necessary. byfighting as enemies violence if necessary. 27 years later he emerged preaching. can say withf you aut
the white house has confirmed president obama and the first lady will travel to south africa next week to take part in memorial services. we will have full coverage and area begin in johannesburg -- johannesburg. >> they come from all walks of life and all communities to pay respects outside the home of nelson mandela. the sense of bereavement is palpable. to some, almost private and personal. together,so a coming a nation united in mourning but also in celebration of the life of the man...
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barack obama met mandela only one in 2005, when obama was still a senator. nelson mandela. >> when south africa hosted the world cup tournament in july of 2010, he made his last major public appearance at the final games. the crowd honoring him with a thunderous ovation. >> never, and never agai again, shall it be will gain the experience, the oppressive, of one by another. and suffer the indignity of things to some of the world. >> signing up the effects are so glorious, a human achievement. god bless africa. in 1990, he visited new york and nearly 100,000 people gathered in harlem to hear him speak. tonight, outside the apollo theater, marque honored nelson mandela, that's where jordan martin is standing by, what are you hearing tonight? >> first john, it is pretty evidence you can see the marque you just mentioned it says in memory ol' nelson mandela, he changed our world. a lot of people here in hair held, and in new york in general remember when he came here, actually the marque was a big part of it. it said welcome home mr. and mrs. mandela. there were
barack obama met mandela only one in 2005, when obama was still a senator. nelson mandela. >> when south africa hosted the world cup tournament in july of 2010, he made his last major public appearance at the final games. the crowd honoring him with a thunderous ovation. >> never, and never agai again, shall it be will gain the experience, the oppressive, of one by another. and suffer the indignity of things to some of the world. >> signing up the effects are so glorious, a...
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you will see that live from the white house when it happens. and the legal assault on obama care. and the judge napolitano and the challenges on the impact of the health care law. three key cases and the pressure is building on that. >>> hi, everyone. i am gretchen carlsson. we are waiting to hear the presidential remarks on obama care. and we have a panel on board from karl rove to stshgs u varny. and young people are least familiar with obama care and they are the targeted ones for the act. and another shark attack killing a man fish nothing a yayac. >> we'll see you then. it is not only the website that is drawing criticism but the law itself. >> what does the president need to say to the american people and critics in congress? we'll have margie who is a former consultant and great to have you both here. marjorie, let me start wu. one thing that every american knows about the affordable care act that it has a lousy website that hasn't worked well. what does the president need to say to a skeptical american public? >> it is better late than never. we need to hear about the bene
you will see that live from the white house when it happens. and the legal assault on obama care. and the judge napolitano and the challenges on the impact of the health care law. three key cases and the pressure is building on that. >>> hi, everyone. i am gretchen carlsson. we are waiting to hear the presidential remarks on obama care. and we have a panel on board from karl rove to stshgs u varny. and young people are least familiar with obama care and they are the targeted ones for...
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then, the white house launches a new obama care offensive. >> you got good ideas, bring them to me. let's go. but we're not repealing it as long as i'm president. >> and i don't know why any american would trust this government after all the broken promises they've already seen. in obama care. >> we'll discuss the latest on o bam care and a new gop plan to boost our inner cities with rand paul. it's a fox news sunday exclusive. plus, with the website working better and enrollment on the rise, we'll ask one of the law's architects where obama care goes from here. and it's been ten years since i took over the anchor chair here. it's been quite a ride. we'll look back at some of our favorite moments from the last ten years. all right now on fox news sunday. and hello again from fox news in washington. this is a national day of prayer and reflection in south africa. as that nation continues to mourn the man many consider its father. south africans gathereded at makeshift shrines who died thursday at the age of 95. gregg is live outside mandela's home in johannesburg with the latest. >>
then, the white house launches a new obama care offensive. >> you got good ideas, bring them to me. let's go. but we're not repealing it as long as i'm president. >> and i don't know why any american would trust this government after all the broken promises they've already seen. in obama care. >> we'll discuss the latest on o bam care and a new gop plan to boost our inner cities with rand paul. it's a fox news sunday exclusive. plus, with the website working better and...
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. >> a short time ago president obama had this to say about nelson mandela from the white house. >> his journey from a prisoner to a president embodied the promise that human beings and countries can change for the better. his commitment to transfer power and reconcile with those who jailed him set an example that all humanity should aspire to, whether in the lives of nations or our own personal lives. the fact that he did it all with grace and with humor and an ability to acknowledge his own imperfections only makes the man that much more remarkable. >> the president went on to say he didn't think it was likely we'd see mandela's like again. joining us now via telephone is former d.c. mayor, current council member marion barry who was i think you were mayor still when nelson mandela was released from prison in 1992. am i correct, mr. mayor? >> absolutely, derek. my relationship goes before then, one thanksgiving day we sat in at the south african embassy on massachusetts avenue starting a whole movement and on april 4th of thsame year out of that 5,000 d.c. government employees off on
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so this administration the white house was so determined to come out with this obama care on october 1st regardless of these problems. >> as each new revelation comes out. let me ask you this, does it make it a bigger problem for is he safe so to speak. does he came out and said i'm going to make she's fixes and i didn't know any of this. problems are so big and so multiple they are still having to fix it. the fixes go a long way. secondly, you know this is a case where the president and democrats put their faith in 1/7th of our nation's economy. what is coming clear of the e-mails things where the system is breaking down eternally controls there wasn't somebody in charge. >> the question is who was in charge and what did the president know. cms issued this statement to fox news. it reads in part:what does that say to you? obviously they are trying to keep it to the top of cms and ultimately the administration. >> when you release e-mails it is part of the administration. the facts are they are delaying the small business exchain program. the facts are there are so many problems stil
so this administration the white house was so determined to come out with this obama care on october 1st regardless of these problems. >> as each new revelation comes out. let me ask you this, does it make it a bigger problem for is he safe so to speak. does he came out and said i'm going to make she's fixes and i didn't know any of this. problems are so big and so multiple they are still having to fix it. the fixes go a long way. secondly, you know this is a case where the president and...